Thanks Phil, Your points noted and agreed. In Australia, the Productivity Commission comes out with "facts/evidence based studies" which the legislators (politicians) take seriously and use as debates in Parliament and policymakers use in formulating policies. This is absent in Malaysia. There is a lack of "independent" institutions capable of providing "facts/evidence based studies". The WB reports meet this end but unfortunately the politicians are not taking it up (as you noted - not implementable). What is most interesting is that the Malay rights group have not come up with their own studies to support their arguments. Is there a strategy that can be ustilised to bring differing groups to the table and discuss based on facts/evidence? Put more simply - is there a way to define the "national interest"